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Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« on: September 30, 2019, 02:52:56 am »
1. Describe the Suggestion:

Wardens MUST play a map minigame before trying to kill T's with horrid commands.

A map minigame doesnt include "floor is lava get on the boxes", "floor is lava jump to the fence","monkey in the tree" on clouds and "jump to the third light" on peanut, and anything of that sort. Not sure if you can do it or not? Ask yourself if its declared as a minigame on the map. (Did the mapper implement this to be a minigame?)

After your first minigame you can do all the "floor is lava" or "cancer jumps" you want. Just don't do it before the first minigame.

Would just like to add a little note, you can still restrict floor is lava. As long as its clearly not to just kill people that cannot make a jump. So your first command can still be "floor is lava" while in cells, just no stupid forced jumps or crouch jumps to kill off players within the first few minutes of the round.

https://www.strawpoll.me/18716833  <--- please vote here

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3. Possible positive impacts: Getting rid of cancer wardens that are depopulating the server
4. Possible negative impacts: People will cry about "hard to ct" maps
5. Which Division/Server will this idea affect: Jailbreak
6. Tag the respective Staff member(s): (div staff, div leader, web admin, etc.): I dont even know who these guys are... I know I dont play as often as I used to but like, I think @ares is one.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2019, 04:34:31 am by Tendies »

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Re: If this doesn't get added just consider me out of here.
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2019, 03:41:53 am »
I believe that there are enough rules on this server. As it has been said in the past, Jailbreak has to many rules, and it has become a plan with our current staff to stop adding rules and instead refine the rulebook we have currently. I agree, it is stupid if Warden's choose to do commands or action minigames over minigames that are on the map. You play the map to play the map's minigames, not the other way around. However, I believe that instead of this being needed as a new rule, it should be added under common sense and a cancerous action by the warden. I believe if anything, this should be stated during an admin meeting for admins to look for in Warden's. It falls under admin's discretion, if a Warden is constantly doing their own games, using commands, and repeating stupid actions, instead of just doing the games on the map, they should be swapped and warned.

tl;dr Make it fall under common sense and admin discretion, if a warden is constantly doing this, swap them. It doesn't have to be a new rule. We have to many rules already.
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Re: If this doesn't get added just consider me out of here.
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2019, 03:57:23 am »
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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2019, 05:48:31 am »
What do you mean you can't do a longjump you've never practiced for on the first try and the warden himself can't do? I'm not point hungry, floor is just lava.
Just get good at the game lol, like, just make the jump?


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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2019, 03:02:13 pm »
honestly +vouch

it's really fucking annoying to old and new players to have a warden that does a cancer floor is lava jump or some other stupid shit before they even get to a minigame and it can ruin the experience for tons of people and make the gamemode feel shitty. It commonly ends up where the T side has less than 1/2 alive and doesn't let many minigames happen. This wouldn't even be that bad of a change and could make jb more enjoyable.
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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2019, 05:45:50 pm »
while I agree with ross that there are a LOT of rules rn, I think this one would is actually needed and helpful. This will help stop depop from lower skilled players, and new players, and let people have a better chance at playing mini games, rebelling, and just leaving main cells. vouch

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2019, 07:51:19 pm »
At the current rate, Jailbreak will not be able to maintain a consistent healthy playerbase.  It is already hard enough considering school is in session and we need all the population we can get.  This is a lot more serious than most of you guys are giving it credit for.  Everytime I join the server there is always that one guy who kills off half the Ts before leaving main cells.  He then gives some BS order like "crouch walk jumping is restricted" and kills them on sight if they mess up even once.  I have seen wardens STOP THE ROUND just to kill that one guy they saw jump.  In situations like this, the population of the server decreases by around 50%.  Last night I was playing JB and we had 2 of these wardens.  By 4 rounds in the amount of Ts was less than half of what it was at the beginning.  I really hope some higher ups take notice of this issue because it is only going to get worse.

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2019, 05:11:21 pm »
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How is the Jailbreak administration team supposed to even enforce the rule?
The rule punishment already follows under common sense, so there is no need to add this rule, considering there are already a plethora of rules.

Complaining about a CT who kills off half of the Ts, hell, even a quarter, IS toxic, but only in the sense that you do it every round. Killing off Ts to cripple their numbers and making it easy for the CTs to track them is not rule breaking in any sense. Most rounds that have a T victory are from rebelling, as there are reasons why restrictions are put in; to cripple the Ts’ numbers.

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2019, 03:07:05 am »
-Devouch

How is the Jailbreak administration team supposed to even enforce the rule?
The rule punishment already follows under common sense, so there is no need to add this rule, considering there are already a plethora of rules.

Complaining about a CT who kills off half of the Ts, hell, even a quarter, IS toxic, but only in the sense that you do it every round. Killing off Ts to cripple their numbers and making it easy for the CTs to track them is not rule breaking in any sense. Most rounds that have a T victory are from rebelling, as there are reasons why restrictions are put in; to cripple the Ts’ numbers.

The main argument Tendies is trying to make here is not wiping out half of the terrorist team with a jump that isn’t affiliated with any mini game within the map. This promotes point hungry wardens, and by that people are influenced to do the same thing as well. Myself, stepping away and trying to promote rounds that involve more variety of mini games other than just jumping from one block to another doesn’t really spark excitement within the game itself. That being said, a rebeller shouldn’t have to take away the fun that jailbreak has to offer to players. Knowing you being part of Task Force should always be promoting the healthiness of CT(s) winning rounds isn’t always the shortcut to a successful way.

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2019, 07:56:54 am »
-Devouch

How is the Jailbreak administration team supposed to even enforce the rule?
The rule punishment already follows under common sense, so there is no need to add this rule, considering there are already a plethora of rules.

Complaining about a CT who kills off half of the Ts, hell, even a quarter, IS toxic, but only in the sense that you do it every round. Killing off Ts to cripple their numbers and making it easy for the CTs to track them is not rule breaking in any sense. Most rounds that have a T victory are from rebelling, as there are reasons why restrictions are put in; to cripple the Ts’ numbers.
+v,yes it is common sense. The admins however do not punish for this action as they do it themselves. They are clueless on what to do even when it is admin desc

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2019, 10:19:43 am »
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Can one of you lock this, we already discussed this in the meeting

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2019, 10:36:37 am »
I agree toxic wardens aren't needed, and adding these rules like tendies said is good, reduces giving lr at 8:30 or earlier.

I just want to say, anything that Tendies offers comes with a valid reason, and usually hes DENIED or his request is REJECTED, because of just saying his name.

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Re: Good idea to prevent cancer wardens!
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 06:10:45 pm »
Locked and moved to denied.

This is already taken into the admins hands when they are dealing with this sort of thing.
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