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[Closed] what the hell leddy?
« on: December 16, 2018, 01:57:48 am »
Your In-Game Name: nochill, bleep
Abusing Admin: leddy/mew
Server this occurred on: jailbreak
Time of occurrence (Date and Time, Map and Round): vipinthemix 12/16 about 1:50 am
What was abused: ban
What happened (Be detailed): ok so leddy just hit me and bleep for a 30 minute ban for ghosting with no evidence at all, literally dont know how to provide evidence as to us not ghosting except sharing our steam messages maybe? He literally just assumed that I was in discord with bleep I guess because bleep found some guy standing at the top of slide in pool even when he told bleep he was around bhop. Plus, bleep let the guy have lr and didn't even kill him so how does this even warrant a 30 minute ban even if we were ghosting?
Provide necessary proof (Demolinks are NOT sufficient evidence): I can share steam messages if you need me to but I don't know how else I can provide evidence of us not ghosting
I hereby agree to follow the guidelines set-forth above(Agree/Disagree): Agree
« Last Edit: December 20, 2018, 03:55:56 am by TheWildThorn »

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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2018, 04:07:03 pm »
Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if u were ghosting lol. Either way when you joke about ghosting, die then bleep perfectly turns on someone in a pretty random spot, that's suspect.



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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2018, 05:56:55 pm »
Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if u were ghosting lol. Either way when you joke about ghosting, die then bleep perfectly turns on someone in a pretty random spot, that's suspect.



this is honestly retarded, at 3:17 "seemingly in discord with nochill", like what? how is there anything leading any admin to believe im in discord with him when i wasnt?

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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2018, 12:20:28 am »
Me and Kicks are in team speak all the time and try hard ct as grade A Task force members, I play JB with people in discord/Teamspeak all the time. Being in chat with someone does not mean you are ghosting.

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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2018, 07:49:31 pm »
lmao so u didnt include chat which shows he said go to bhop. you can see me looking at the scout vent on slide because i thought he would try to kill me. second of all the chat was pretending i was high and shit, so i was swaying between places to go to. ALso apparently joking about ghosting is bannable because i thought he would be in a common sniper spot?? like if some one told they are in bhop theyre trying to catch u off guard.
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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 04:30:36 am »
I will say, looking at the video it does look extremely fishy.
Bleep looks over to where he is (but doesn't see him), walks over to surf, then it feels like he makes an excuse for him to turn around and see him.
However, these are all assumptions.

Also, there is nothing that forbids players talking privately in discord or teamspeak. It's often encouraged actually.
Ghosting within those communication programs is what leads to punishment.

Although, my biggest concern here was why the 30 minute ban came first. Was this the first administrative action taken?
Ghosting is not any issue outlined to skip escalation, there should have been a warning or kick first for sure.

I'll leave this open for 48 hours to let @Fiffy respond.

This'll be marked as pending until further responses.

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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2018, 07:22:35 am »
I will say, looking at the video it does look extremely fishy.
Bleep looks over to where he is (but doesn't see him), walks over to surf, then it feels like he makes an excuse for him to turn around and see him.
However, these are all assumptions.

Also, there is nothing that forbids players talking privately in discord or teamspeak. It's often encouraged actually.
Ghosting within those communication programs is what leads to punishment.

Although, my biggest concern here was why the 30 minute ban came first. Was this the first administrative action taken?
Ghosting is not any issue outlined to skip escalation, there should have been a warning or kick first for sure.

I'll leave this open for 48 hours to let @Fiffy respond.

This'll be marked as pending until further responses.

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On the topic of using Voicechat, I believed them to be using Voicechat to commune about the last player's location hence the punishment.

I decided to look at the Admin Handbook because I didn't know the proper escalation for Ghosting, but I saw nothing in there. So I went out on a limb and banned first because every other server I've played on (JB servers wise let alone TTT where that stuff is an immediate 1 day to 1 week ban most of the time) Ghosting as a bannable first offense. I probably should've consulted Southwind or someone else about it but with it being 1:50 AM I was about to head off anyways, so I decided to handle it before I went to bed.

Knowing now that it isn't the proper escalation I definitley skipped escalation and apologize, as I am in the wrong at that, I jumped to the wrong conclusion.
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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2018, 07:32:24 am »
On the topic of using Voicechat, I believed them to be using Voicechat to commune about the last player's location hence the punishment.
yo last time i checked you actually have to know for a fact that we’re ghosting with solid proof and you cant just say “i believed the players to be ghosting” lmfao you literally had no proof of me and bleep ghosting which we werent and you still banned us

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Re: what the hell leddy?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 03:55:42 am »
On the topic of using Voicechat, I believed them to be using Voicechat to commune about the last player's location hence the punishment.
yo last time i checked you actually have to know for a fact that we’re ghosting with solid proof and you cant just say “i believed the players to be ghosting” lmfao you literally had no proof of me and bleep ghosting which we werent and you still banned us

Ghosting is a very difficult thing to get solid proof for.
Especially if the users aren't communicating in the TangoWorldWide Teamspeak.
With bleep coincidentally mentioning ghosting, then what I outlined to be fishy in my previous post, I too would've thought that ghosting might've been occurring.

However, the major problem here that would've avoided this is the steps of escalation.
If you two were warned or even kicked for ghosting and it didn't happen again, no real harm done.
Instead, you two were instantly banned for ghosting which, in the chance that you two weren't ghosting, would be invigorating and unfair.

Escalation avoids these types of things.



Due to this case, there has been a few updates to the Admin Handbook for clarification purposes.
The changes have been bolded:
  • You MUST follow the escalation system at all times, even if something is not specifically mentioned in this handbook! Failure to do so may result in your admin being suspended or removed.
  • *NOTE - Mass Freekilling is exempt from escalation. Follow the ban system below after proper escalation.
  • Ghosting | 30 Minute Ban | 60 Minute Ban | 120 Minute Ban - (Under Suggested Ban Times for Jailbreak Escalation)



Really, this should have been considered to be true to start with, but has been edited just to clarify.
There are probably more things that we haven't put in the suggested ban times, but they're more of a reference point.
So just because something may not be included doesn't mean it's special or gets to skip escalation.

Most cases can probably be figured out by admin discretion, but ghosting certainly should not have been a ban to start with.
Taking into account the lack of admin reports of Leddy, his role as SA, and the considerable good he has shown to do for Jailbreak...
I don't believe it is worth invoking punishment for this error, but remember the importance of the escalation system @Fiffy , it would've diverted this report if properly followed.

Apologies for the inconvenience @majd @nochill ; however, if you two really were ghosting please notice that you can get reported/punished for that.
I have deleted the bans from both of your ban records.

This report is now locked.

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