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A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« on: June 07, 2017, 09:33:06 pm »
1. Name of Suggestion: FMBM
2. Describe the Suggestion: Allow members to nominate members for promotion up until Senior Member.

This may be an unpopular suggestion, but it is worth a try. I think that if a member has been in this community for a year or more, that they should be applicable to get a much higher membership than when they dropped their activity.

Most of our roster remains dormant in their positions because they fail to branch off to other divisions, post on the forums, or join and communicate with others on Teamspeak. That's the way it currently is, but I think that if the member was an active member who played on their special Tango server every day and has now since dropped off, but keep the tag still, that they should still get the option of being promoted.
(The member is currently inactive, but still representing the clan with the tag even after X many months/years. They should still get promotions in my opinion)

This is a way to still reward the member who has decided to stay with the community.

3. Related link(s):
Ateam - 2 Year Coin since two months ago.
4. Possible positive impacts: It would not be one member promoting everyone in the roster, but one member nominating, and multiple members who remember the person and see they are keeping good relations inside and outside of Tango that will decide whether or not they get the promotion to Senior Member or the next member rank. They cannot be Staff.

FMBM. For members by members.

5. Possible negative impacts: Find them for me.
6. Which Division/Server will this idea affect: Tango's Promotions and Demotions, Tango's Roster, and Tango's Member Ranks.

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2017, 10:15:01 pm »
I think it's pretty cool

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2017, 10:22:28 pm »
I see where you're coming from, however, if a member cannot stand out to at least one staff member to be nominated then do they actually deserve to be promoted?

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2017, 10:28:24 pm »
I see where you're coming from, however, if a member cannot stand out to at least one staff member to be nominated then do they actually deserve to be promoted?

This. Many of the staff members are active enough and involved enough that they have at least 1 person a week for nomination. This suggestion seems pointless.

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2017, 10:42:57 pm »
I see where you're coming from, however, if a member cannot stand out to at least one staff member to be nominated then do they actually deserve to be promoted?

This. Many of the staff members are active enough and involved enough that they have at least 1 person a week for nomination. This suggestion seems pointless.

I completely disagree with this, sure tango has a ton of staff but some people do only talk to non-staff members. Feels like some people aren't noticed as much as others.

I'm not really sure on this idea though. I can't think of many problems right now but I do feel like some will come up.

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2017, 10:45:34 pm »
I really like this idea and feel like it would work quite well. The amount of promotions recently has been pretty low.

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2017, 10:50:16 pm »
If staff can be found left and right, which they are; and you're a member who doesn't at some point interact with and befriend staff, something's wrong.

Good idea overall though.
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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2017, 11:05:09 pm »
I see where you're coming from, however, if a member cannot stand out to at least one staff member to be nominated then do they actually deserve to be promoted?

This. Many of the staff members are active enough and involved enough that they have at least 1 person a week for nomination. This suggestion seems pointless.

I guess I explained it poorly and I figured I would, so apologies let me rephrase it.

The way I was directing this suggestion was so members could nominate old members who have once contributed to the community, but no longer do but should deserve a better position than one that they currently retain.

@bronco @Persephone

Not sure if I fixed the confusion, or if there was any from the start.



The other way people are interpreting the suggestion is that members can nominate other active members currently, which I'm totally down for. That's how I got SA and eventually staff, just plain activity on the servers.



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and you're a member who doesn't at some point interact with and befriend staff, something's wrong.
Do you know how hard as a single staff member it is to nominate an inactive member who deserves the rank but isn't there yet? It's quite hard especially when new staff are coming left and right who joined after the member has already made their significant impact. This is for members by members. Staff is not in the equation.

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2017, 11:09:21 pm »
If he's inactive and not helping why should he/she be promoted?

If they contributions back in the day then they would have been properly noticed for such. It's also easy to take gold out of context and not remember the bad. For instance I remember Ateam as an abuser. Obviously this isn't everyone but it's just 1 example.
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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2017, 11:45:47 pm »
I really like this idea and feel like it would work quite well. The amount of promotions recently has been pretty low.

We had a roster lock my dude. But I still would love to see this Idea implement. @Dream @Vita @Rangii
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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2017, 12:04:58 am »
@Sk67 Yes I have been here I know there was a roster lock lol.

People were still getting promoted though and even prior to the lock they were low.

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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 12:10:15 am »
I like the idea. In fact, it's a great one.

Staff only pick a specific group of people to nominate from what I see. If they know and like you, then you're nominated. If they don't, well sucks to suck because you'll sit in your rank until either a staff member acknowledges your presence or you crawl to them and make your presence known.

I don't understand what there is to argue about that point. That's literally what nominating members is. And it's terrible. That plays into favouritism so hard. You "make your presence known" (let's be real, it's either ass kissing or just sticking out from the crowd) and you get the gold star of nomination. You choose not to act in a manner to gain recognition and seclude yourself to the comfortable group you've found in the community, you don't get the gold star.

Yeah you can argue "Well why nominate someone if they don't involve themselves in the community and contribute?" Are they supposed to interact with the entirity of the community? Are they not allowed to have a friend group they prefer to stick to? What exactly counts as "contribution" in terms of being a member and who gets to dictate that? Certainly not you if you don't have a single idea who they are. Just being part of Tango is a contribution itself. You can also argue "Well it's still favouritism if you let the members choose, because people who are more known and liked will be nominated." Ok, but at least it's one step forward for those who keep to themselves or just don't know anyone and can't manage to make friends. Are you going to penalise them for that fault? If they're quiet but known to be a individual that people have good experiences with, are they undeserving of a nomination just because a staff member failed to notice them? Kinda bullshit to those who sit quietly on the sidelines. Members are members. They have much more freedom to enjoy themselves however they wish to as long as it doesn't break any rules. If they choose to be quiet but venture our servers frequently, why do they not deserve a promotion? The staff can't expose themselves to every single person within the community.

I honestly believe the community deserves more say and involvement in this manner. We let members vouch all types of applications to leave their opinion, why not let them do the same for their fellow fiends? At most, we can just review the nominations and accept or reject them.
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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2017, 12:24:36 am »
How about the honorable members (who should already be experienced members who've played or been here for a while) decide? If not them, then it would be 1/3 Honorable 2/3 Veteran forming some sort of committee to figure it out.
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Re: A Suggestion for Members, by Members (FMBM)
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2017, 12:29:40 am »
At this time, this suggestion will not be accepted, however we will consider this in the future.

Honorable Member will be reworked in the near future once current updates are finished, and this may be something they receive.

For the time being, suggestion denied.

 

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