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[Closed] Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« on: March 13, 2019, 03:45:42 pm »
Your In-Game Name: nochill
Abusing Admin: Axel
Server this occurred on: Jailbreak
Time of occurrence (Date and Time, Map and Round): VIPINTHEMIX 3/13/19
What was abused: /slay /swap
What happened (Be detailed): I was slain and swapped for opening cells like 2 seconds late? I was literally just checking to see if they opened automatically for the future but then once I found out they didn't open automatically I opened them, then when they weren't even fully opened I hit the incorrect button and closed them because I was trying to open VIP cell as well in case there was anyone in there (the button called Bjail). I didn't think it was that big of a deal that I was checking to see if they opened automatically since there was only like 4 people alive including myself? But then the admin decides to hit me with a FAT insult as well. Calling me a "fucking dumbass" which really lowered my self esteem, it'll be a while before I recover from this one. (Also that is against the rules - II. General Rules & Guidelines
1. TangoWorldWide is a strong believer that all players alike should be able to enjoy their experience on and around our network. Disrespect, harassing members, cyber-bullying, racism, stereotypical behavior, sexual harassment, or excessive questionable behavior is not allowed. (See "Ethics and Expectations" Policy.)

Provide necessary proof (Demolinks are NOT sufficient evidence): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybhVnI0Gq4k&feature=youtu.be&t=520 (I have left the previous rounds in the video in case you wanted to see if I was being toxic on CT at all prior to this round, which I wasn't. Also, Axel decided to swap zlox for doing a simple minigame at https://youtu.be/ybhVnI0Gq4k?t=55 which is another false swap and abuse of his perms.) Not to mention we were literally doing a regular day and as soon as he joined the server he decided to type in admin all chat "stop being fucking dumbasses" so not sure why he decided to even get on the server if he was angry at something else going on that he would then take out on us?
I hereby agree to follow the guidelines set-forth above(Agree/Disagree): Agree

EDIT: Just realized this guy is the Senior Staff cL position for jailbreak, and hes insulting other players for no reason. Not much to say about that one.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2019, 10:03:32 pm by TheWildThorn »


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2019, 05:08:58 pm »
My very first abuse report in my 2.5 years of being a JB admin! Sick.

Nochill, you are nothing but toxic every time you get onto Jailbreak. You consistently get put into your place for breaking rules and being an all around troll. I have a very very low tolerance for ex-admins coming onto JB with the intention of trolling and ruining the fun for players. Literally as soon as I joined the JB server, admin and regular chat was filled with players asking if I was an admin and to take care of you and zlox freekilling and delaying. I'm not one to accuse and act on just words though, so I watched.

Throughout our time on Clouds, you and zlox were delaying the rounds (instructing him to do an LR that was going to take the whole round up, shot for shot while surfing) creating toxic days (sending the t's across the map with no intention of playing a mini game, then moving them again literally across the map). I swapped zlox because he wasn't doing anything as a CT to promote a successful round, such as having the last 2 try and jump onto the door of red light green light, an impossible jump. His defense was they could put the door down and get "on" it, which makes no sense since the doors disappear and there's nothing to get on.

At this point when we switched to vipinthemix I already knew you guys were trying to be funny for eachother and just fuck around. I called you dumbasses because that's what you guys were being. I know you two pretty well from back in the day, so that's the verbiage I'm going to use. I wouldn't ever call a new player or someone I don't know something like that. Keep in mind there was a whopping 7 people on, and it really wasn't that big of deal you're making it out to be, like telling zlox to screenshot it and report it. No one would do that, but you I guess.

On vipinthemix, when I swapped you, you spent the first minute of first day freeday hopping around the map claiming to be testing if the cells auto open. You were told by a paid admin to open cells, and refused. You were asked by players in chat to open cells, and refused. I had to teleport you right in front of the button before you eventually clicked the button. And what did you do? Immediately close them before anyone could get out. Now seeing that the bjail button closes it, you attempted to open then immediately close them again, and that's when I swapped you. If you saw it spam open/close them, why would you try and do it again? Please don't act like this is your first time playing on that map, not knowing clicking the bjail button acts as a close button if they're already open, or that the cells don't auto open.

If you're going to join the server to be a walking meme, please don't join at all.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 05:12:06 pm by Axel »
tRyNA CoINfliP BrO?

As the person who got reported, I would say this is not true, which is correct.
What I was doing was ok because there was only 3 others on.
This means we were not doing regular days and was just messing around.
Im giving this a -devouch


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2019, 05:37:40 pm »
My very first abuse report in my 2.5 years of being a JB admin! Sick.

*shrug*

Nochill, you are nothing but toxic every time you get onto Jailbreak. You consistently get put into your place for breaking rules and being an all around troll. I have a very very low tolerance for ex-admins coming onto JB with the intention of trolling and ruining the fun for players. Literally as soon as I joined the JB server, admin and regular chat was filled with players asking if I was an admin and to take care of you and zlox freekilling and delaying. I'm not one to accuse and act on just words though, so I watched.

I'm actually never toxic anymore, and I rarely get on jailbreak that often so no clue where you got that from if I barely see you when I am on the server.

Throughout our time on Clouds, you and zlox were delaying the rounds (instructing him to do an LR that was going to take the whole round up, shot for shot while surfing) creating toxic days (sending the t's across the map with no intention of playing a mini game, then moving them again literally across the map). I swapped zlox because he wasn't doing anything as a CT to promote a successful round, such as having the last 2 try and jump onto the door of red light green light, an impossible jump. His defense was they could put the door down and get "on" it, which makes no sense since the doors disappear and there's nothing to get on.

Actually I wasn't delaying rounds at all, that LR literally took 1 MINUTE LOL. And what day did I "create" that I brought the Ts across the map and didn't do a minigame? Literally no recollection of that happening whatsoever, and I took warden like 2 or 3 times at the start of the round on clouds. Also, I'm not sure if you're confused but that jump literally isn't even hard, you just press the button to make the door go down, then someone else presses it for it to go up while you're standing on the door. Or, you can just be fast and press the button and run to the door to crouch jump on it while it's going up. Next, how is doing a minigame not promoting a successful round? WUTFACE?

At this point when we switched to vipinthemix I already knew you guys were trying to be funny for eachother and just fuck around. I called you dumbasses because that's what you guys were being. I know you two pretty well from back in the day, so that's the verbiage I'm going to use. I wouldn't ever call a new player or someone I don't know something like that. Keep in mind there was a whopping 7 people on, and it really wasn't that big of deal you're making it out to be, like telling zlox to screenshot it and report it. No one would do that, but you I guess.

Honestly, the only "fucking around" we were doing was in voice chat; and we weren't even using any profanity and we were just talking, making jokes to one another and not targeting any other player on the server. Didn't know that classifies us as "dumbasses" (very disrespectful coming from a cL staff member btw). Also if it's not a big deal that you typed that in admin all chat, then it must not have been a big deal that I was just trying to see if cells opened automatically (since I know they updated vipinthemix recently, and I'm pretty sure they used to open automatically.) so I could know for future reference, which doesn't come to my understanding of why you would slay and swap me for opening the cells 2 seconds late. 

On vipinthemix, when I swapped you, you spent the first minute of first day freeday hopping around the map claiming to be testing if the cells auto open. You were told by a paid admin to open cells, and refused. You were asked by players in chat to open cells, and refused. I had to teleport you right in front of the button before you eventually clicked the button. And what did you do? Immediately close them before anyone could get out. Now seeing that the bjail button closes it, you attempted to open then immediately close them again, and that's when I swapped you. If you saw it spam open/close them, why would you try and do it again? Please don't act like this is your first time playing on that map, not knowing clicking the bjail button acts as a close button if they're already open, or that the cells don't auto open.

First, how am I supposed to know that "xd liamz" is a paidmin if he is using /hideme and I'm not that active on the server? Second, you didn't have to teleport me to the button for me to open it, I was standing RIGHT THERE, waiting a couple of seconds to see if they would open automatically then I was going to open them if they didn't. Hey can you actually read what I said in the report before replying also? I literally said I hit the wrong button as you can see in the video I wasn't intentionally looking at the close button, and even if I was doing it intentionally I didn't even know it would close all the cells, and I went back and opened them as soon as I saw they weren't open. "If you saw it spam open/close them, why would you try and do it again?" What????? this literally makes no sense to me, I went back to the buttons to open the cells? Again, it came to my attention that they recently updated vipinthemix and I have only played it a few times, also I literally always press both those buttons so I don't know what you are talking about? Why would opening bjail close cells if they both have seperate buttons?

If you're going to join the server to be a walking meme, please don't join at all.

Yea let's be nazi's and not let someone have fun with their friend in voice chat on jailbreak guys! Great idea.

In conclusion, I think you need to get some patience, you can't seem to wait 1 minute for anything.


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2019, 05:48:20 pm »
how was surfing shot for shot delaying the whole round. if you actually watched the video you see that it doesnt even take 1 minute for us to finish. we were staying on the first ramp surfing back and forth while our speeds were litterally shift walking. and since you were such an amazing admin that has been an admin for 30 months you wouldve done something. right? no u just watched and did nothing as we were supposedly "delaying the whole round" what we were doing was an lr i dont see the problem here

seeing a video from a another point of view i can see theres an invis wall that the pointer was on from my pov i saw the pointer as being on top of the door. this caused a bit of confusion and not a clear order. i see that. but then u claim my order was invalid as in where they cant actually do it? if u played a bit u would know that the door doesnt disapear but it goes down into the block and come back up after pressing the buttons. but obviously the ts alive were stupid or just didnt want to do anything so i quickly then said first to jump gets lr i dont see what i did wrong there but the things i pointed out.

in the round when im warden i tell the 2 ts alive to put their butts to the posts (they dont listen) i finish giving my order which was about 5 seconds after i wait a bit more until i warning shoot them so they listen after i do that axel heals them slaps me warns me saying warning shoot them. i was litterally warning shooting them. so i guess dont warning shoot because the admin is a dumbass. and apparently u can just join talk while dead while putting ur mic right next to ur larynx. honestly this type of behavior and level of immaturity as a face of tango is just a not a very good thing

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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2019, 06:05:33 pm »
Some pointers

1. You can be toxic, I never said anything about the frequency of when you join, but that when you are on, you tend to disrupt the server.

2. The way you described the LR would've absolutely taken up the rest of the round, luckily you guys slowed down and you hit a lucky shot. Delaying the rest of the round by sending the T's across the map is in reference to zlox, not you. That jump onto the door is NOT a minigame. Those two players alive were newer and were completely confused as to what to do. That's when it comes down to realizing that it's time to do an actual mini game. Luckily he did that and we moved on, but the fact we could've just sat there waiting, not something I'd put past you two, is a red flag.

3. Yes, you were fucking around in voice chat, like zlox putting on a "funny" voice while giving orders and being hard to hear. Doesn't help his mic is already hard to understand regularly. You might think how you guys were acting was harmless, but wouldn't you say if literally every single T is calling you guys out for freekilling, delaying, etc. that you're not acting right? You guys absolutely know the line between fun and toxic. Using admin chat how I did was not as big of a deal since it didn't delay the round or upset more than 2 people on the server. Please don't try to compare the two.

4. Your point of not knowing liamz is an admin is valid. But that doesn't excuse being asked by a regular player, or the numerous others to open the cells. You didn't say you were testing anything until 2/3 of the way through, and first day freeday is not the time to test that when players are supposed to be exploring the map. A correct time to do that would be during a normal day, giving them in cell orders that could last till 9:00 fairly, and if the cells don't automatically open by like 9:01 then open them. I teleported you the 2 feet onto the button to accentuate the fact you needed to open the cells doors since you clearly weren't going to do it. Completely reasonable.

5. Patience is easy, your wording here makes it sound like it was just me waiting. No, it was 5 others as well that had to sit there and deal with it.


in the round when im warden i tell the 2 ts alive to put their butts to the posts (they dont listen) i finish giving my order which was about 5 seconds after i wait a bit more until i warning shoot them so they listen after i do that axel heals them slaps me warns me saying warning shoot them. i was litterally warning shooting them. so i guess dont warning shoot because the admin is a dumbass. and apparently u can just join talk while dead while putting ur mic right next to ur larynx. honestly this type of behavior and level of immaturity as a face of tango is just a not a very good thing


Yes, I was wrong with the warning shots. My screen showed their hp getting a lot lower than what warning shots would be. After looking through the demo it was 10 damage each, so I'm at fault for slapping you. As far as healing them, while not enforced often, before any minigame it's the warden's responsibility to make sure every T is at the same health before starting. Also you say I'm using that shot for shot example as "delaying the whole round" but that was the last 3 minutes, definitely not what I was trying to say at all.


This thread could get filled with responses going back and forth of just arguing who's right or wrong. This will likely be my last response as saying anything else would just be useless. Will wait for IA.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 06:06:10 pm by Axel »
tRyNA CoINfliP BrO?

As the person who got reported, I would say this is not true, which is correct.
What I was doing was ok because there was only 3 others on.
This means we were not doing regular days and was just messing around.
Im giving this a -devouch


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2019, 06:42:25 pm »
1. You can be toxic, I never said anything about the frequency of when you join, but that when you are on, you tend to disrupt the server.

Do I disrupt the server or do I disrupt you because you have no patience? Literally you don't even give me an example of how I disrupt the server so not sure how you want me to improve there.

2. The way you described the LR would've absolutely taken up the rest of the round, luckily you guys slowed down and you hit a lucky shot. Delaying the rest of the round by sending the T's across the map is in reference to zlox, not you. That jump onto the door is NOT a minigame. Those two players alive were newer and were completely confused as to what to do. That's when it comes down to realizing that it's time to do an actual mini game. Luckily he did that and we moved on, but the fact we could've just sat there waiting, not something I'd put past you two, is a red flag.

"Luckily" yea in case you didn't notice in your "2.5 years of being admin" and how ever much longer you have been playing the server, Surf works like that. You slow down when you keep turning around on the same ramp, so I don't know how you could've perceived this lr to take the rest of the round. Gotta love the key word "could've", this tells me you swapped him after he gave an order and then saw they were confused, but since you are trigger happy with your admin commands you swapped him before he could give a new order, just because we "could've" waited the whole round; nice job using your admin commands on a hypothetical situation.

3. Yes, you were fucking around in voice chat, like zlox putting on a "funny" voice while giving orders and being hard to hear. Doesn't help his mic is already hard to understand regularly. You might think how you guys were acting was harmless, but wouldn't you say if literally every single T is calling you guys out for freekilling, delaying, etc. that you're not acting right? You guys absolutely know the line between fun and toxic. Using admin chat how I did was not as big of a deal since it didn't delay the round or upset more than 2 people on the server. Please don't try to compare the two.

That's literally just zlox's voice, not really up to him on what it sounds like. Oh wait I thought you "knew" me and zlox for so long so you should've known that it's his real voice? Or maybe you haven't known zlox that long because earlier you asked him how he got VET on jailbreak because you've "never seen him on" and asked him how many hours he "afk'd." Yea we know the line between fun and toxic, do you? Mr. "nochill you're a fucking dumbass", and I don't know what type of fun you are having, I've seen multiple people complain about you being a nazi with your commands and making the server boring. Funny how you say your use of admin chat didn't upset more than 2 people on the server. You're implying it's ok to disrespect 2 people which is what you did when you told me and zlox to "stop being fucking dumbasses", I love the irony.

4. Your point of not knowing liamz is an admin is valid. But that doesn't excuse being asked by a regular player, or the numerous others to open the cells. You didn't say you were testing anything until 2/3 of the way through, and first day freeday is not the time to test that when players are supposed to be exploring the map. A correct time to do that would be during a normal day, giving them in cell orders that could last till 9:00 fairly, and if the cells don't automatically open by like 9:01 then open them. I teleported you the 2 feet onto the button to accentuate the fact you needed to open the cells doors since you clearly weren't going to do it. Completely reasonable.

How would I know if they open at 9:00 if I were to open them at 9:01? And looks like the player asked me to open cells at around 9:30, I waited 30 seconds to open them; which means that he has a whole ass 9 minutes to explore the map, but he or a different T was probably just going to rebel and attempt to kill me. But sure those precious 30 seconds of his jailbreak career were CRUCIAL! Also, I didn't say you shouldn't have teleported me, but you acted like if you didn't I was never going to open cells which is just false, so I wanted to clear that one up.

5. Patience is easy, your wording here makes it sound like it was just me waiting. No, it was 5 others as well that had to sit there and deal with it.

Aw, poor you guys. You had to wait 1 minute for 2 times in your lives.
If patience is so "easy" then I think you should be able to wait to actually see what happens instead of just using your commands for something that could happen.


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2019, 07:53:57 pm »
I downloaded the demo of the map before you even posted this report since I knew you two would act different when I joined. Let's take a look shall we? Every video is ~15 minutes before I joined.

First, how am I supposed to know that "xd liamz" is a paidmin if he is using /hideme and I'm not that active on the server?

Rescinding what I said earlier about this being valid, lying on your admin abuse report probably isn't the best idea. Here's you admitting to waiting for the admins to leave, and trying to get the paidmin xd Liamz to disconnect. So you did know that Liamz was a paidmin, and when he asked you to open the cells on vipinthemix, you probably should have.


Do I disrupt the server or do I disrupt you because you have no patience? Literally you don't even give me an example of how I disrupt the server so not sure how you want me to improve there.

Yea, you do disrupt the server. Here's an example you're asking for.

1st freekill. There's a rebeller hiding in a cell, rest of the T's are on the table. Rebel runs out and hides with T's, you send them to the portal, freekill one of the non-rebelling T's that was on the table already. When called out on the freekill, even by zlox, you say "No it was 100% the right guy". Looking at names isn't hard. Sure, it could've been a mistake, but if that was the case you wouldn't have been so firm on killing the right (wrong) T.


2nd freekill. This one is just out right freekill in an attempt to avenge zlox. There's no mistakes here. T with LR chooses rock paper scissors, zlox loses, and you freekill the T instantly saying he "cheated". How do you cheat in rock paper scissors? It's one of the few LR's that don't require the T/CT to be near eachother, or require the T to explain rules. Just click the button and go.

I'm actually never toxic anymore, and I rarely get on jailbreak that often so no clue where you got that from if I barely see you when I am on the server.


Never toxic? I'd say promoting implied racism is probably toxic. Asking zlox if he speaks spanish and suggesting you do a "spanish color day". AKA a reason to imply racism.



And @zlox just flat out saying the N word after saying "The admins left, now we can say the N word"



Or how about "Don't worry, zlox we can take vents cuz there's no admins on"



Actually I wasn't delaying rounds at all...


Finally, here is you and zlox delaying the round for 3.5 minutes doing extreme climb, with zlox just AFK standing for some of it. Rule 11 of T rules, JB MOTD clearly states
  • No cheating or delaying is implied on all minigames. This includes last request, terrorists caught cheating in last request are considered rebels.
Ask any Jailbreak admin if doing extreme climb for LR (the longest minigame on the map) is delaying, there answer would be yes. You two spent from 7:30 in the round until 3:00 just jumping around extreme climb. Someone in the chat even says "yes let's just watch these 2 waste the next 4 minutes" and that's exactly what happens. If an admin was on, you wouldn't have gotten away with it, and I think you both know that.


« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 08:01:36 pm by Axel »
tRyNA CoINfliP BrO?

As the person who got reported, I would say this is not true, which is correct.
What I was doing was ok because there was only 3 others on.
This means we were not doing regular days and was just messing around.
Im giving this a -devouch


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2019, 08:15:09 pm »
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I can't be asked to format this shit and split it up again, soooooo here we go!

xd liamz was being super annoying and couldn't spit words out of his mouth and averaged about 1 order per minute, which made the other admins leave because they didnt want to deal with it. There were admins on besides him at the start which then left which is why i jokingly said "yay no admins on" so yea i still didnt know he was admin, but was happy he left because he was annoying everyone. The first freekill was a mistake, and it is kind of hard to see names when the Ts are all moving around and delaying and not following my pointer like I said to. I shouldn't have killed him but I thought I was fairly sure it was that guy, and when I realized it wasn't I said jokingly that it was 100% him because I couldn't do anything about it since there was no admins online. 2nd freekill wasn't to avenge zlox, it was because that guy was talking shit to me earlier even though that doesn't justify the freekill. Now onto the 3rd clip where I asked zlox if he speaks spanish to do spanish colors, I didn't know he was actually going to imply racism lol, sorry im not in his head. I usually do foreign language colors days with @majd but he wasnt on and I wanted to do something on the less boring end of things, and spanish is the 2nd most common language spoken in america, so I just wanted to see if he could speak it in order to do the day, quit assuming I was "promoting implying racism!!!!!!" LOL. Next clip where I say "we can take vents no admins on", not much to say except im not surprised you've never heard of a joke in your life. Lastly, that extreme climb lr took 3.5 minutes because when I started it I didn't know zlox said he was going to get water because he was thirsty which is why I waited to start because I wanted the lr to be fair, and we kept failing because we suck, and that's when we agreed to end the lr and move on to the next round.

gonna edit this rq, i shouldve used the word rarely toxic in the report hehe
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 08:46:11 pm by ris »


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2019, 08:49:18 pm »
xd liamz was being super annoying and couldn't spit words out of his mouth and averaged about 1 order per minute, which made the other admins leave because they didnt want to deal with it. There were admins on besides him at the start which then left which is why i jokingly said "yay no admins on" so yea i still didnt know he was admin, but was happy he left because he was annoying everyone.
Ya no, that makes no sense. He had left way before you said this. Why would that come up in the context of admins leaving? And how do you know he made the other admins leave? Liamz was gone before the last admin left. The admins on at the time aren't the type of people to be bothered like that, or say directly in chat that they don't like him. Sounds like a lot of assumptions.

2nd freekill wasn't to avenge zlox, it was because that guy was talking shit to me earlier even though that doesn't justify the freekill.
I laughed

Now onto the 3rd clip where I asked zlox if he speaks spanish to do spanish colors, I didn't know he was actually going to imply racism lol, sorry im not in his head. I usually do foreign language colors days with @majd but he wasnt on and I wanted to do something on the less boring end of things, and spanish is the 2nd most common language spoken in america, so I just wanted to see if he could speak it in order to do the day, quit assuming I was "promoting implying racism!!!!!!" LOL.
You're acting like we're both new. EVERYONE knows anything revolving "spanish colors" on JB instantly ends with someone saying *that* word. You were an admin, you muted people for racism. These excuses make absolutely no sense to someone that knows you or anyone who admins JB.

Next clip where I say "we can take vents no admins on", not much to say except im not surprised you've never heard of a joke in your life.
This is a very funny joke from someone who's trying to defend they're not toxic

Lastly, that extreme climb lr took 3.5 minutes because when I started it I didn't know zlox said he was going to get water because he was thirsty which is why I waited to start because I wanted the lr to be fair, and we kept failing because we suck, and that's when we agreed to end the lr and move on to the next round.
Zlox never said he was going to get water in game, unless you were in a call together or something. Even then that makes no sense since he went AFK multiple times. Must've been thirsty. Either way point still stands, you should know doing an LR as long as extreme climb is considered delaying.

These excuses don't justify anything shown in the videos. I feel confident in how I chose to handle you two knowing your past and how you both act when you're together. You absolutely changed your behavior as soon as I joined, you both got significantly less (not all the way) toxic, and left when you got taken care of. This whole thread is you acting as if you didn't know any better. You've literally been here longer than 95% of our current player base.

I mean, 4 years and you don't know basic guidelines? This makes me really sad knowing you used to be a fun guy and admin.

The only people that try and say I'm boring for actually enforcing the rules/"trigger happy" with my admin commands tend to genuinely have toxic behavior. Back in the day I was accused of it a lot, and if you take a look at the members list, you'll notice nearly every one of those people is either banned, closed, or left because they couldn't get away with it.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 09:30:17 pm by Axel »
tRyNA CoINfliP BrO?

As the person who got reported, I would say this is not true, which is correct.
What I was doing was ok because there was only 3 others on.
This means we were not doing regular days and was just messing around.
Im giving this a -devouch


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2019, 09:23:04 pm »
xd liamz was being super annoying and couldn't spit words out of his mouth and averaged about 1 order per minute, which made the other admins leave because they didnt want to deal with it. There were admins on besides him at the start which then left which is why i jokingly said "yay no admins on" so yea i still didnt know he was admin, but was happy he left because he was annoying everyone.
Ya no, that makes no sense. He had left way before you said this. Why would that come up in the context of admins leaving? And how do you know he made the other admins leave? Liamz was gone before the last admin left. The admins on at the time aren't the type of people to be bothered like that, or say directly in chat that they don't like him. Sounds like a lot of assumptions.

2nd freekill wasn't to avenge zlox, it was because that guy was talking shit to me earlier even though that doesn't justify the freekill.
I laughed

Now onto the 3rd clip where I asked zlox if he speaks spanish to do spanish colors, I didn't know he was actually going to imply racism lol, sorry im not in his head. I usually do foreign language colors days with @majd but he wasnt on and I wanted to do something on the less boring end of things, and spanish is the 2nd most common language spoken in america, so I just wanted to see if he could speak it in order to do the day, quit assuming I was "promoting implying racism!!!!!!" LOL.
You're acting like we're both new. EVERYONE knows anything revolving "spanish colors" on JB instantly ends with someone saying *that* word. You were an admin, you muted people for racism. These excuses make absolutely no sense to someone that knows you or anyone who admins JB.

Next clip where I say "we can take vents no admins on", not much to say except im not surprised you've never heard of a joke in your life.
This is a very funny joke from someone who's trying to defend they're not toxic

Lastly, that extreme climb lr took 3.5 minutes because when I started it I didn't know zlox said he was going to get water because he was thirsty which is why I waited to start because I wanted the lr to be fair, and we kept failing because we suck, and that's when we agreed to end the lr and move on to the next round.
Zlox never said he was going to get water in game, unless you were in a call together or something. Even then that makes no sense since he went AFK multiple times. Must've been thirsty. Either way point still stands, you should know doing an LR as long as extreme climb is considered delaying.

These excuses don't justify anything shown in the videos. I feel confident in how I chose to handle you two knowing your past and how you both act when you're together. You absolutely changed your behavior as soon as I joined, you both got significantly less (not all the way) toxic, and left when you got taken care of. This whole thread is you acting as if you didn't know any better. You've literally been here longer than 95% of our current player base.

I mean, 4 years and you don't know basic guidelines? This makes me really sad knowing you used to be a fun guy and admin.

The only people that try and say I'm boring for actually enforcing the rules/"trigger happy" with my admin commands tend to genuinely have toxic behavior. Back in the day I was accused of it a lot, and if you take a look at the members list, you'll notice nearly every one of those people is either banned, closed, or left because they couldn't get away with it. And that's all I have to say.

It makes perfect sense lol, its the end of the round and I had was joking while everyone was dead and it was quiet. He made haze leave who was an admin, and i could tell by the tone of everyones voice in the server they were annoyed. Not really assuming anything since I was in the server and was interacting with the players.

I laughed at your thought process behind your use of admin commands

I was an admin, no one did spanish colors days when I was. Literally bleepblop just came up with it one day. How does this relate to your abuse again?

Yea pretty sure saying "we can take vents no admins on" is a joke, and I actually never took a vent so its unfortunate you cut that part out of the video on purpose. It's very funny that you're trying to defend your abuse with this clip.

Yea again sorry I didn't watch an entire clouds demo and couldn't recall exactly what he said, but I was pretty sure he said he needed to get water or go to the bathroom; something along those lines. And once again once we saw it was taking too long we just ended the round so I think you need to stop saying we were delaying intentionally

I left the server because you flat out abused, and I went to upload the video and make the report. Not because you "dealt with us" LOL.

I gotta love how you keep changing the topic to all about me and zlox but none of this really has anything to you abusing. You slayed and swapped me for opening cells 2 seconds late, and swapped zlox for doing a minigame thats apparently "impossible" in your eyes, when you just don't know how it works. To me, this has nothing to do with our attitudes and that you just couldn't wait.

This whole thread isn't me acting as if i didnt know any better. The only thing I didnt know any better for is if the cells opened automatically on vip. The rest of it is me and you going back and forth with you blatantly abusing and me and zlox's attitudes on the jailbreak server which, in that situation, really should have a slim to none impact on the way you went about using your admin powers.

Let me give you a quick tip, you can enforce the rules just fine without being a cancerous admin. Guess you'll have to figure that one out yourself though. And do you think everyone is just going to call you out for making the server boring? Of course not! Because the only "toxic" people in your eyes are the ones who call you out for this type of shit. And im not even sure what you're trying to prove with the last 2 sentences, the only thing I could make out of it is that you're trying to say since I reported you for abuse that means I am going to either get banned, closed, or im going to leave? Lol what even. 



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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2019, 09:38:28 pm »
Again, your whole "testing out the cells" excuse is not enough for delaying the round like that. Every response I've put here has relevance to the situation. I.E. pointing out how toxic you really are with no care for having fun with other players, and showing video to prove it. From there it's been weak excuses in an attempt to pin anything down on me that you can. Let's suummarize.
  • You were being toxic before the cell door incident, and I had warned you.
  • Liamz, who you knew was an admin had asked you to open the cell doors and you didnt.
  • I teleported you right to the cell doors so you would actually open them
  • I slayed and swapped you for opening then closing them, then attempting to do it again, and being an all around troll and toxic CT
  • I called you a dumbass because that's absolutely what you were being based on your actions in that round and previous map. Sorry if it offends you, but you've called people much worse, and I feel like I know you enough to call you that, let alone expect you to act the way you did.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2019, 10:12:05 pm by Axel »
tRyNA CoINfliP BrO?

As the person who got reported, I would say this is not true, which is correct.
What I was doing was ok because there was only 3 others on.
This means we were not doing regular days and was just messing around.
Im giving this a -devouch


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Re: Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2019, 09:53:59 pm »
I'm all for discussion between the reporter and the accused but at this point it seems more like repetition of already stated rebuttals and accusations.

I will fully review and conclude this report when I am most able.
Please be patient as the review process undergoes and if there's any further blistering evidence one would like to add, they may PM me said evidence.

This will be locked and marked Pending OCA for my handling later.

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Re: [Pending OCA] Axel, an admin, abusing. (SHOCKER)
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2019, 10:03:17 pm »
This report got very off topic after reading all the responses more in-depth.
@Axel I understand your points but a lot of these points you point out aren't related to the report, it'd be better to just make a new report with them.
It see you're trying to undermine nochill's credibility with these clips, but that wouldn't make much of a change in the verdict; its own report is more appropriate.
While nochill is wrong in a lot of these, it doesn't really add or take away with the original issue this report is about.

Now, going into the actual problem listed in this report, the original evidence is against Axel for slaying and swapping nochill/zlox.




The first clip shows nochill waiting a minute before opening cell doors and then accidentally shutting cell doors- then being slayed and swapped.

I can't really tell if the reason Axel does this is is for the delay or for shutting the cell doors, but it doesn't really matter.
nochill did immediately shut doors which is against Rule #17 of the CT-Rules. The rule does not distinguish if malicious or accidental intentions matter.
I will say that it looks like an accident from the video, but under Axel's discretion he did have the ability to slay since that rule was broken.
The swap can also be seen as falling under Axel's discretion since many rules give reinforcement to an admin's ability to swap when they feel it necessary.

As for the delaying mentioned here, I personally don't think nochill's minute of delay was significant enough to amount to a swap.
I will say that it was annoying, but a swap personally seems extreme. I would've first used /warn, I liked the teleport used- that worked, maybe sooner would've been better.
When it comes to admin discretion, I trust that the admin had factors leading up to the event before they felt the need to exercise their discretion.
It was on Axel's authority to swap here and while it may have been a little heavy-handed, he did have the authority since nochill indeed did break a rule.

Although, one point I will concur on is the statements made after the slay/swap.
I understand the game is rated M, but @Axel we are trying to make a positive environment here, you should be courteous regardless especially as cL Staff.
Specifically calling someone out as a "fucking dumbass" for what may have been a mistake is actually kind of toxic, you should try to keep a collected and level head at all times.
I understand it's Jailbreak, and that may be very hard at certain times, but it is something we expect from our admins and staff.



As for the next piece of evidence, it also plays with the element of admin discretion.
I feel like there must have been rounds prior to that one that would lead Axel to his conclusions of swapping zlox.
While zlox's was taking his time with orders, that round alone doesn't really warrant for a swap.
Again though, @Axel I would really advise you giving warnings to people first, I'm pretty confident that would avoid you getting reported.

If you used a /warn or even admin all chat and warned to make better rounds that would at least give the CTs heads up that they're doing something wrong.
When people get swapped before they know they're doing something wrong, it does make them pretty upset leading to reports like this one.

This piece, however, also falls under admin discretion and if Axel felt like zlox hasn't been a productive CT, he does maintain that ability to swap.
Since there really isn't a whole lot of evidence showing what happened leading up to this round, I can't tell if this was the one instance or if there were more instances where it would seem necessary to get new CTs.



I'll briefly go over the unrelated mentions of nochill's behavior in this report as well.

So the main things that were mentioned was freekilling, racism, and encouraging rule breaking.
@nochill You did blatantly freekill that second guy, regardless of why you freekilled him- it was still a freekill.
The first guy I could understand the confusion, they kind of got jumbled, it wouldn't seem appropriate to focus in too much on this technical freekill.

As for the racism accusation, I understand where it would come from but it doesn't look like nochill meant it intentionally.
If anything, the accusation should go against the guy who actually said his comment on the Spanish word for black.
All in all though, this is on latenight right? We attract an older population anyways during this time, we can all be adults here.
Someone made a joke on the Spanish word for black, giving it attention is actually more destructive than just moving on.

Probably the most important part of what got outlined though is the encouraging rule breaking.
@nochill , please take it into consideration the message you're communicating when you make these quick jokes.
Some people may not understand they're jokes, and you make them often enough that it may be misinterpreted if you're actually joking or not.
All these jokes do is create a hostile relationship between yourself and the admins, not something I'd advise doing- it causes a lot of issues for everyone.




Overall, both parties strained pretty heavily to try and undermine the other.
Eventually, we can probably get dirt on everyone, both Axel and nochill have their faults as listed in this report.
We want to make these issues less frequent if not eliminated when possible.

@Axel More warnings and better responses when it comes to handling people who break the rules.
@nochill Don't spread the encouragement for rule breaking, and try to pay more attention when killing as a CT.
Try to avoid things that would provoke admins.

In summary, Axel's decisions fell under admin discretion and didn't go outside his limitations for the first clip.
As for the second clip, I don't feel there's enough evidence showing what led up to that.
In both clips Axel should use his warning abilities, but overall I find no distinct abuse that amounts to punishment.

Other than critiques of administrative actions to avoid reports like these...
No Abuse.

This report is now locked.

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