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.cL Wipe
« on: June 10, 2017, 10:00:49 pm »



For a long time, Community Leadership has been the front and center group to represent TangoWorldWide.
It has always been something that we want all of our members to notice when they first come into the community for
them to understand what we have and offer, including showing our ambition and what we strive for as a community.
We have seen ups and downs with the group for a while, failing to reach it’s top potential. With our new leads @$layer and @Drift that will no longer be the case anymore. Under new management, Community Leadership has revamped itself.
New standards have been put in place and our expectations have risen.
We have implemented a new application system, abolished trial period, and have completely wiped the roster
and boards, all which have been updated with brand new threads.
With all of this being done, we thought it would also be appropriate to give Community Leadership
a new look with a brand new banner and forum bar made by @IUDesigns.
 
 
Applications are currently open and lifted from the unlock.
Here are the links to our boards.

Main Board

Application Board

Does this mean everyone has been removed and must re-apply?  Yes.
In order for us to re-organize our standards, we must make sure only those worthy are able to make it into Community Leadership.
Those who were previously in, doing a great job should have no worries about being able to get back into the group, so go re-apply!
Before you do, please make note that a new application system has been put in that includes
a new template, requirment/recommendation list, and an interview process to go along with it. Best of luck!



If you have any questions regarding Community Leadership, please don't hesitate to contact $layer, Drift or the Human Resources Department.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2017, 10:09:05 pm »
Very happy to be apart of this.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2017, 03:13:26 am »
Why do these groups get constantly and consistently wiped? There's a deeper issue that's yet to be resolved that must be addressed.
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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2017, 04:01:36 am »
Why do these groups get constantly and consistently wiped? There's a deeper issue that's yet to be resolved that must be addressed.

Exactly what I feel. Constant wiping of groups. I don't even feel confident that this new roster will last at this rate..

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2017, 04:06:06 am »
With groups going into new leadership and ideas of the groups changing, they need these wipes. It's not just because the group says "Why the fuck not," but because it doesn't make sense to keep people in the group that shouldn't be there with the incoming new ideas.

With huge changes being made under Sinister with a 3 group split, the roster should have been wiped then.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2017, 04:08:23 am »
With groups going into new leadership and ideas of the groups changing, they need these wipes. It's not just because the group says "Why the fuck not," but because it doesn't make sense to keep people in the group that shouldn't be there with the incoming new ideas.

With huge changes being made under Sinister with a 3 group split, the roster should have been wiped then.

This is normal and necessary @Bobby @★ Shadow 🐦★.

This is the second wipe while I've been in Tango. If someone shouldn't be in cL, then demote and remove them. There's no need to wipe the entire roster. If there is that need, continually wiping the rosters and putting it under new leadership every time obviously doesn't resolve the issues that cause the wipe to become necessary in the first place.
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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2017, 04:16:39 am »
@Bobby

You can go through and ask every person in cL if they want to continue in the group with the way it's heading, or you can wipe the roster and they'll reapply if they want to stay in the group.

The only "issue" is when the group shifts what it wants to focus on.


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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2017, 04:44:34 am »
I would agree, but personally I'm finding the constant .cL wipes a little ridiculous.
I get that a leader might want a new outlook on .cL and a fresh start... but after like 6 wipes it's getting tiring.

It had a wipe for Jacob, Ben, someone after Ben, 2 wipes during xyra's leadership, and now another one.
I bet there's a few additional ones that I wasn't paying attention to.

If new leads are coming in, I believe they should just slam their hand on the table, tell the .cL their new standards, give em about 2 weeks to adjust, and anyone who doesn't properly adjust gets spoken to about removal.
Simple.

You don't need to go ask every person individually.
Go up during a meeting, lay down the new .cL, and give an opportunity for anyone who isn't on board to go off on their other adventures.
I feel it's a little rude to the .cL members that every time a new set of leadership pops in: whoop, off on your way.
I'm just saying this from my standpoint of what I think it would appear like to .cL members.

However, other than that side comment and my two cents...
I'm excited for the new leadership and the new policies and productions that .cL is going into.
I look forward to working with $layer and Drift with this update.
I hope it all goes well.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2017, 06:04:25 am »
I would agree, but personally I'm finding the constant .cL wipes a little ridiculous.
I get that a leader might want a new outlook on .cL and a fresh start... but after like 6 wipes it's getting tiring.

It had a wipe for Jacob, Ben, someone after Ben, 2 wipes during xyra's leadership, and now another one.
I bet there's a few additional ones that I wasn't paying attention to.

If new leads are coming in, I believe they should just slam their hand on the table, tell the .cL their new standards, give em about 2 weeks to adjust, and anyone who doesn't properly adjust gets spoken to about removal.
Simple.

You don't need to go ask every person individually.
Go up during a meeting, lay down the new .cL, and give an opportunity for anyone who isn't on board to go off on their other adventures.
I feel it's a little rude to the .cL members that every time a new set of leadership pops in: whoop, off on your way.
I'm just saying this from my standpoint of what I think it would appear like to .cL members.

However, other than that side comment and my two cents...
I'm excited for the new leadership and the new policies and productions that .cL is going into.
I look forward to working with $layer and Drift with this update.
I hope it all goes well.

I really couldn't have worded this better.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2017, 06:33:14 am »
I think wipes moving into the new official roster is a good thing. Puts things under CHR instead of the old style of things.


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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2017, 12:14:44 pm »
I think wipes moving into the new official roster is a good thing. Puts things under CHR instead of the old style of things.
Before I start this rant, please understand this is just my opinion; I'm not here to target anyone, I'm here to leave my own feedback as everyone is entitled to do so.. that being said I have a few things to say, a few questions to ask so here goes.

I see where you're coming from with the new roster and such, but i completely disagree; cL has been trying to get off its feet since xyra left lead, if not before. Its went through multiple idea changes and under sinister It actually started to go somewhere. People were being assigned their duties etc. During the meeting i had plenty of questions to ask but none were really answered.

Fingers were pointed toward the cL members stating things like in this thread "oh people aren't doing their jobs, why should they be in cL" ok, well whose fault is this? Is it really the members fault or the leads fault for not contacting these individuals to see whats up? To tell them to get their shit together or resign. Comments were made like 'oh the discord/board isn't being properly managed' Is this also the members fault? People like to point fingers, and throw shade at each other but are not really noticeably accomplishing anything themselves.

Let me back up a few moments back to the meeting, dream was unable to show up to it for unknown reasons but vita did step up and try to explain as much as he could but some questions were left unanswered. So I appreciate the post giving a bit more detail even though I disagree with how this was done.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2017, 12:35:16 pm »
no idea what everyone's talking about

cL has been changing handlers, leads, and getting wiped since 2014. Hasn't died has it?
we had cL leads who were actually good, got moved up the roster because of their hard work

new leads who deserve the position come into play. New roster, HR department is finally an official thing, CHR is finally an actual position

it's the best time for a wipe. There's actually no loss by a wipe. Group-wipes are bad and are killing the groups? There's 15 applications for cL in under a day. Let the leads work, give them a chance. This also gives group members time to work with the leads from the start instead of wasting time trying to get used to the leads.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2017, 02:30:23 pm »
I will explain my reasoning for pushing the idea of a wipe.

First, it's exactly what @messiah said. If you had a poor structure with people inside of it, you would get people out before reconstructing and putting in a stronger foundation. It makes it a lot more easier and clear for us to see what we need to do. Also, with a new application system that includes an interview process and re-applying policy, it allows us to apply our higher standards and get rid of those in Community Leadership who shouldn't be in. Those who were doing a good job in .cL already, shouldn't have any issue with getting back in. We planned this to be where it'll be a lot more easier and clear for them on what they are supposed to be doing when they come back in getting right back to their role.

Going through the roster one by one would just be a waste of time in my opinion. We cannot just ask and see right away if the people we already have in are at our standards without giving it a couple weeks. We also had people who were still assigned to the .cL forum and discord who weren't even in Tango.

I believe the system Sinister and Conner had made with the 3 teams is a great system, which will be staying. I know wiping it isn't at a lot of peoples favor, but at this point it will give us a better start for this Summer and allow a stronger foundation to be put in.

I can understand those who are pointing out the multiple wipes. I can agree it's annoying and not good if it's consistent, but I can highly guarantee this will be the last one for a long time. Me and Drift are preparing and are making sure this will be the beginning to .cL having it's strongest and most efficient time in Tango.



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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2017, 04:25:47 pm »
Sometime wipes are needed, sometimes they are not. When I took over cL I didn't see a need to wipe, this summer or last summer. I was about to remove half of the roster when i was promoted, so kind of a wipe.

There's different methods to everything. Some people are comfortable without wiping and just picking out the bad people, some like a fresh slate.

This time around it works for a wipe because like balon said, the HR groups need to align with the CHR and not working alone. When I ran it, I only answered to balon, and still ran it the way I wanted to no matter what he said. Now, the CHR plays a big role in the group function so a wipe will help the group align with the new style.

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Re: .cL Wipe
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2017, 10:20:18 pm »
I can see why wipes are a thing, it gives the new leads a chance. I mean when I was the successor of Persephone (Not to bash on her or anyone.) the group was at a decline. But it was really hard to get the footing that Peer Counseling needed to change. I think that the wipe of PC was needed. But I do not agree with the frequency of what they happen in. balon is right this one will shift everything to dream. But as TheWildThorn said it has been through 6 wipes that is a lot. I will still have to agree will this wipe though.

I think Slayer and Drift will do great, I even applied for cL. I believe it can help a lot with these leaders. I always did like what cL stood for and I think with these successors that reason can happen.

One thing that is a bit much is there are 3 divisions within cL. and 2 of them could be combined. Retention and Recovery, I think we can just call them Retention that will make cL. only two groups with two leads. Honestly, though it would make things simpler because both divisions pretty much do the same task either keep people in or make them want to come back in. It would also be easier on leadership so they can direct their attention to one division each kind of like what Peer Counseling was like and honestly thank you. slayer, from stopping one of my ideas that could have driven me nuts.

At the end the wipe has happened look at the positives we have two people that do care about this group and they want the most qualified people in the group.

Wipes are hard, yes, it took me a while to get over the Peer Counseling wipe but know I understand and it is what it is.

I am sure we will see what happens next.
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